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Lollipop Issue 42
 Quoth the Wilner.
"Never Bore"
An Interview With Hal Willner
by William Ham
"It wasn't a good year for any of us," Hal Willner says with a touch of resigned ruefulness. "Especially with a lot of
the people I chose to work with." For Willner, 1997 was a year
of abrupt departures - many of the collaborators on his justly
praised conceptual album projects, including William S. Burroughs
(Dead City Radio), Allen Ginsberg (The Lion For Real), and Jeff Buckley, have split this mortal coil for good during
the miserable year just passed. It seems appropriate, then, that
the undertaking (pun most certainly not intended) Willner had
spent much of the year seeing to fruition would be a collection
of readings from the master of morbidity himself. Closed on Account of Rabies - Poems and Tales of Edgar Allen Poe (Mouth Almighty/Mercury) is a beautifully conceived and executed
album in a tradition that Willner has been renowned for since
he produced Armacord Nino Rota in 1981 - the gathering of a disparate and sometimes bizarrely
incongruous collection of musicians, singers, and performers to
pay tribute to the works of a single artist or genre.
You may know Willner's work, even if his name doesn't spring easily
to common lips - he was the mastermind behind the popular tributes
to Kurt Weill (Lost in the Stars, September Songs), Thelonious Monk (That's the Way I Feel Now) and songs from Walt Disney movies (Stay Awake). In truth, part of the blame for the current prolifigacy of tribute
albums can be laid at least partly at his feet, something that
Willner - who has his fingers in many different pies, including
albums with Marianne Faithfull and Deborah Harry and the Jazz
Passengers (all of whom appear on Closed...) and a long-standing gig doing special musical material for Saturday
Night Live - has tried to evade, though, like Michael Corleone,
they keep pulling him back in. "I wasn't going to continue with
them, but the last few had been sort of commissioned," he says.
"You see, I never considered these tribute records, except maybe
the Monk. They were more sort of explorations, just a guy with
eclectic tastes trying to make records that maybe he'd want to
hear. I suppose if I were smart, I could have just repeated the
formula of Rota over and over again and done a kind of Windham Hill thing - Willner
Hill. But I wanted each one of them to be different. I mean, the
Disney one was so Cecil B. DeMille - such an insane cast. Then
the (Charles) Mingus one (Weird Nightmare) went somewhere else, and after that I considered doing Edith
Piaf, but that's when I realized how weird it was. Suddenly, someone
else was doing a Piaf record, and then I'd call some artists and
they'd say `Well, we're booked to do the Buddy Greco tribute'
or something... that's when I figured I'd move on and do other
things. But then September Songs, the soundtrack to the Kurt Weill TV special and film, came along,
and then this project, which was more the brainstorm of Michael
Minzer, who I'd done Dead City Radio and The Lion For Real for. The first few artists were mostly his idea, but I got excited
about it once I got into it because it was something different.
It's kind of interesting, because, although it's very eclectic
musically, it doesn't feel that way. You hardly notice how all
over the place it is. At least I don't think you do."
Eclectic is the word, indeed. One of Willner's trademarks is putting together
elements - whether musical or conceptual - that seem at first
not to go together, but, once heard, seem so perfect you wonder
why no one had thought of it before. On this album, that extends
not only to the artists (who range from actors Christopher Walken
and Gabriel Byrne to enigmatic musicians like Dr. John and Diamanda
Galás) but to the packaging itself. The title comes from the recent
finding that Poe, who had always been thought to have died in
an alcoholic stupor, had more likely expired as a result of encephalitic
rabies. But the Willner touch is that the title, as well as the
subtitles for each of the two CDs in the collection, were taken
from the films of W.C. Fields. "What does all this have to do
with Edgar Allen Poe?" he asks in his liner notes. "I don't know,
but I'm sure there must be something... because everything leads
to him."
The latter proclamation was made to Willner by Allen Ginsberg,
who, in keeping with the eerie but wonderful spirit of the album,
played a part in the recording of what is inevitably the most
haunting track on the album - "Ulalume," a semi-obscure Poe-m
Willner remembers first hearing read by James Mason in the film
version of Lolita, as read by Jeff Buckley. "I knew Jeff," Willner says. "I played
a role in bringing him to New York. A few years back, I was doing
concerts at St. Ann's Church, and we thought to do an evening
of Tim Buckley music. And we had heard that Buckley had had a
son, and then he actually got in touch with us, so he came to
New York, and you know how great Jeff was - naturally, he was
a highlight of the show. And then he stayed in New York, pretty
much, we kept in touch and became friends. This seemed just so
right for him - I thought that he'd be great reading poetry, you
know. I showed `Ulalume' to him, he really liked it, and we recorded
it the night before he left for Memphis. And Ginsberg was there
coaching him... take that where you want. It was wonderful watching
the two of them work together on it, and I think there's such
a sense of innocence and discovery on that track because of it
- Jeff wasn't a veteran at reading poetry and Allen just took
him through the poet's eyes. That was a great night, a great image
I'll always have."
His next few projects will keep Willner in the company of the
departed, including albums featuring Kathy Acker, Terry Southern,
and a six-CD Lenny Bruce box set for Rhino, and though he intends
to move out of the realm for which he's best known (plans are
afoot for a solo album on Howie B's Pussyfoot label), he remains
deeply proud of his spoken-word and music projects, if a bit nonplussed
at how they've been perceived. "At the end of it, I'm trying to
make albums that hold up like albums - something you can listen
to together as opposed to listening to them like a compilation.
Mind you, I grew up with the Beatles' White Album and seeing Tiny Tim on The Ed Sullivan Show, so my idea of a unified album might be a little different than
others'. I think Sullivan was a big formative influence for me - to see the Rolling Stones
next to plate-spinners next to a monkey act next to Jackie Mason
all makes sense to me! It's intuitive, but it grew out of the
times I came up in, hearing "Revolution 9" next to vaudeville
or the early days of FM radio. I realize that now, the younger
generation hasn't grown up with the varied influences that we
had, but it's a shame - there was a willingness to take chances
that's harder to come by these days - people are so afraid of
failing now. But I think that putting different elements together
with the right continuity and flow can be revelatory - you could
have the Replacements next to Betty Carter and have it work beautifully."
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